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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete:  I can remember you using the word &quot;dint&quot; about 20 years ago.  I don&#039;t believe I have seen it in print since.  Nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete:  I can remember you using the word &#8220;dint&#8221; about 20 years ago.  I don&#8217;t believe I have seen it in print since.  Nice work!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, fascinating responses so far—not least because they&#039;ve all got some advice/guidance for my friend. Which is awesome and, frankly, suprising. Evidence, I guess, that good people really do want to help and oftentimes just need to know how. 

That said, I should point out that the person I reference in the post is a consummate pro and, I&#039;m sure, handling the situation withe great skill, sensitivity and aplomb. He&#039;s gonna come through just fine. In fact, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he eventually ended up running the joint. Really. (Not just blowing smoke.)

Nevertheless, keep the comments coming. I love to find out what&#039;s in your twisted little minds, especially when it pertains to what&#039;s in mine ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, fascinating responses so far—not least because they&#8217;ve all got some advice/guidance for my friend. Which is awesome and, frankly, suprising. Evidence, I guess, that good people really do want to help and oftentimes just need to know how. </p>
<p>That said, I should point out that the person I reference in the post is a consummate pro and, I&#8217;m sure, handling the situation withe great skill, sensitivity and aplomb. He&#8217;s gonna come through just fine. In fact, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he eventually ended up running the joint. Really. (Not just blowing smoke.)</p>
<p>Nevertheless, keep the comments coming. I love to find out what&#8217;s in your twisted little minds, especially when it pertains to what&#8217;s in mine <img src='http://www.gabardine.com/thread/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Painter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Painter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter...good thread and thanks for sharing. 

Funny, just last night my daughter asked me if she should run for class prez.  She is in middle school now and was interested in my pov [don&#039;t know how long that will last.] Nonetheless, she was aware that it would be difficult and political.  She felt like she has some good ideas and could really help the class.  I told her that she should give it a shot, but it would not be easy. 

First and foremost, we discussed how she needed to get support of her friends and other groups. That she needs folks that will speak on her behalf, defend her pov, be her eyes &amp; ears, and just be there for her. 

Sounds like your friends has been busy with the right projects, team and scope...but now he really needs to invest some critical time cultivating a support network. Without that, it will be tough going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter&#8230;good thread and thanks for sharing. </p>
<p>Funny, just last night my daughter asked me if she should run for class prez.  She is in middle school now and was interested in my pov [don't know how long that will last.] Nonetheless, she was aware that it would be difficult and political.  She felt like she has some good ideas and could really help the class.  I told her that she should give it a shot, but it would not be easy. </p>
<p>First and foremost, we discussed how she needed to get support of her friends and other groups. That she needs folks that will speak on her behalf, defend her pov, be her eyes &amp; ears, and just be there for her. </p>
<p>Sounds like your friends has been busy with the right projects, team and scope&#8230;but now he really needs to invest some critical time cultivating a support network. Without that, it will be tough going.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kinzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kinzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh the heat of the corporate kitchen. Having lived it and analyzed it for years, I agree Peter, the problem is it is both nature and nurture. The workplace is competitive by nature. At the top end of corporate affairs, there is a limited supply of &quot;great gigs.&quot; Only the most competitive s.o.b.&#039;s are going to get the fat paychecks, benefit packages and golden handcuffs and/or parachutes, and almost all will do anything necessary to survive and stay in those positions ( those lease payments on the Lexus SUV and Porsche Carrera, 75k yearly mortgage tab and 60K for both kids in private school aren&#039;t going anywhere.) No surprise on the nature end as in any random sample of population, you will always find pricks, and sociopaths. Put just a few of those in these competitive positions and &quot;voila&quot;...schoolyard fights everywhere...My advice to your friend is:  If you can&#039;t take it, manage it, live with it.... get out while out you are still not jaded and still have your passion and drive, and build your own. Yes it is hard work, yes it is fraught with perils and challenges, yes you need brass balls...so what is all that different? Except at the end of the day, you can decide who you want to trust in key positions that matter to your business and have working closely with you, and...here&#039;s the sweet part, ultimately you have the final say. 

One last bit of advice though it is obvious, I find most people don&#039;t give it enough weight in their decisions...time is one of your top assets, right up there with capital and ability. Whatever your friend decides to do, fight or flee, move on it sooner rather than later because everyone&#039;s time is fixed. Problem is nobody knows how long he or she has, so why not be happy for as long as you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh the heat of the corporate kitchen. Having lived it and analyzed it for years, I agree Peter, the problem is it is both nature and nurture. The workplace is competitive by nature. At the top end of corporate affairs, there is a limited supply of &#8220;great gigs.&#8221; Only the most competitive s.o.b.&#8217;s are going to get the fat paychecks, benefit packages and golden handcuffs and/or parachutes, and almost all will do anything necessary to survive and stay in those positions ( those lease payments on the Lexus SUV and Porsche Carrera, 75k yearly mortgage tab and 60K for both kids in private school aren&#8217;t going anywhere.) No surprise on the nature end as in any random sample of population, you will always find pricks, and sociopaths. Put just a few of those in these competitive positions and &#8220;voila&#8221;&#8230;schoolyard fights everywhere&#8230;My advice to your friend is:  If you can&#8217;t take it, manage it, live with it&#8230;. get out while out you are still not jaded and still have your passion and drive, and build your own. Yes it is hard work, yes it is fraught with perils and challenges, yes you need brass balls&#8230;so what is all that different? Except at the end of the day, you can decide who you want to trust in key positions that matter to your business and have working closely with you, and&#8230;here&#8217;s the sweet part, ultimately you have the final say. </p>
<p>One last bit of advice though it is obvious, I find most people don&#8217;t give it enough weight in their decisions&#8230;time is one of your top assets, right up there with capital and ability. Whatever your friend decides to do, fight or flee, move on it sooner rather than later because everyone&#8217;s time is fixed. Problem is nobody knows how long he or she has, so why not be happy for as long as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece...tough situation.

Times like these I&#039;m often reminded of my 7th Grade math teacher--who didn&#039;t really teach me squat about math, but was full of seemingly useless &quot;life advice&quot; and sayings.  My personal fav &quot;Nobody ever looks smart by looking stupid&quot;.  Now you can apply this to about a hundred different situations--including this one.  In the competitive arena of office politic, nobody likes looking stupid--even (and sometimes especially) if the smart looking guy is on your team.  Example: Manager to employee:  &quot;Wow, Peter that&#039;s a great idea.  Why didn&#039;t you think of that Joe (while thinking...who I&#039;m paying 25% more to)?&quot;

Matt&#039;s probably right--a meeting to flatten these issues is the right way.  I&#039;m sure they teach that at Harvard or something. 

Or wait.  

Maybe there&#039;s a better way.

Yes.  Your friend needs to roll up his sleeves and fight the good fight.  Make the other guys look stupid with his smart work.  In the end, the office politics slowly give way to one important fact.  Those dudes who make the boss money, who advance the team, who help the whole company win with his personal contributions elevate thru the ranks and become invaluable to the boss.  That&#039;s what stars do...they become super-stars and eventually senior management.  It takes time.  Sometime lots of time.  But if you are a smart guy, you&#039;ll elevate.  Once at the top, you can decide how/if to deal with office politics.

Until then, I&#039;d tell him to keep low and keep moving forward.  No one ever impressed senior management by asking for a meeting to talk about office politics.  To talk about smart ideas for moving the company forward, yes.  To whine about why Sally is mistreating me and Johnny doesn&#039;t respect me, no.  Those guys get branded and sent back to the pen--and that brand stays with you forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece&#8230;tough situation.</p>
<p>Times like these I&#8217;m often reminded of my 7th Grade math teacher&#8211;who didn&#8217;t really teach me squat about math, but was full of seemingly useless &#8220;life advice&#8221; and sayings.  My personal fav &#8220;Nobody ever looks smart by looking stupid&#8221;.  Now you can apply this to about a hundred different situations&#8211;including this one.  In the competitive arena of office politic, nobody likes looking stupid&#8211;even (and sometimes especially) if the smart looking guy is on your team.  Example: Manager to employee:  &#8220;Wow, Peter that&#8217;s a great idea.  Why didn&#8217;t you think of that Joe (while thinking&#8230;who I&#8217;m paying 25% more to)?&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt&#8217;s probably right&#8211;a meeting to flatten these issues is the right way.  I&#8217;m sure they teach that at Harvard or something. </p>
<p>Or wait.  </p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s a better way.</p>
<p>Yes.  Your friend needs to roll up his sleeves and fight the good fight.  Make the other guys look stupid with his smart work.  In the end, the office politics slowly give way to one important fact.  Those dudes who make the boss money, who advance the team, who help the whole company win with his personal contributions elevate thru the ranks and become invaluable to the boss.  That&#8217;s what stars do&#8230;they become super-stars and eventually senior management.  It takes time.  Sometime lots of time.  But if you are a smart guy, you&#8217;ll elevate.  Once at the top, you can decide how/if to deal with office politics.</p>
<p>Until then, I&#8217;d tell him to keep low and keep moving forward.  No one ever impressed senior management by asking for a meeting to talk about office politics.  To talk about smart ideas for moving the company forward, yes.  To whine about why Sally is mistreating me and Johnny doesn&#8217;t respect me, no.  Those guys get branded and sent back to the pen&#8211;and that brand stays with you forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Friedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, it&#039;s not unusual that senior management (versus top management) are naysayers to most things new and different.  These sorts have a unique ability to say &quot;no&quot; to almost anything; yet are almost incapable of saying &quot;yes&quot; to anything they don&#039;t know has explicit support from top management.  Often there is a check and balance between top management and senior management, which can sometimes be a good thing...and other times it stinks like the Ganges. I suggest your friend arrange a meeting with senior and top management to flatten these issues. It&#039;s critical that this person come armed with specifics/facts...the more personal (i.e. tied to specific individuals) the better.  I would liken this to the &quot;Feats of Strength&quot; ritual in the holiday &quot;Festivus&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, it&#8217;s not unusual that senior management (versus top management) are naysayers to most things new and different.  These sorts have a unique ability to say &#8220;no&#8221; to almost anything; yet are almost incapable of saying &#8220;yes&#8221; to anything they don&#8217;t know has explicit support from top management.  Often there is a check and balance between top management and senior management, which can sometimes be a good thing&#8230;and other times it stinks like the Ganges. I suggest your friend arrange a meeting with senior and top management to flatten these issues. It&#8217;s critical that this person come armed with specifics/facts&#8230;the more personal (i.e. tied to specific individuals) the better.  I would liken this to the &#8220;Feats of Strength&#8221; ritual in the holiday &#8220;Festivus&#8221;.</p>
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